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2016 R1200r lc 6000 miles I went to do a final drive service including lubricating the splines,Final drive will not pivot down i suspect rusty seized splines tried soaking the area in release fluid for several days no joy at a loose end now of what to do.
 

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I recall you can have the same niggling problem when re-engaging the FD on the driveshaft. Only thing that comes to mind is have you tried jiggling the brake disk back & forth (& try in gear) while trying to disengage? Last resort, you could undo the main FD pivot and withdraw the FD off the driveshaft? Some aspects of this YouTube clip might be useful BMW R1200 GS Replacing rubber boots .
 

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I plan on doign this service in the Spring 2021. From the videos I have seen, I am pretty sure I am gonna remove the entire shaft, cause dropping just the rear seems difficult to re install. Verify that you have pulled all the bolts though. The drive hub's weight should pull itself down.
 

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Hi i have a 2016 r1200r lc which has 6k on the clock and a seized driveshaft gearbox and final drive end can't decide what to do ?.
 

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That’s a bummer Paul. I don’t know what your consumer laws are, but in Australia I’d be taking it to the dealer asking for free of charge remedy, noting that:
  • the drive shaft spline is not a service item (no inspection/re-greasing schedule)
  • BMW sells its bikes as a premium product and consumers should expect many years and kilometres before expecting any drivetrain issues. Four years and 6000 miles(?) is nothing - it’s barely run in.
 
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Has there ever been a consensus on what the hell is wrong with the BMW final drives? Shoddy QC, unreliable or changing vendors, marginal design? I know some people have no issues, but it comes up enough to be more than Sigma Six would accept. And it seems to me that when it is a problem, it crops up early, like crazy early, like at or even before initial service interval, and then seems likely to repeat.
 

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That’s a bummer Paul. I don’t know what your consumer laws are, but in Australia I’d be taking it to the dealer asking for free of charge remedy, noting that:
  • the drive shaft spline is not a service item (no inspection/re-greasing schedule)
  • BMW sells its bikes as a premium product and consumers should expect many years and kilometres before expecting any drivetrain issues. Four years and 6000 miles(?) is nothing - it’s barely run in.
Thank's for your reply I have been in touch with Bmw uk who contacted my local Bmw dealer and they said they will repair it at cost to me looking at a huge bill Regards.
 

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... splines rusted seized both ends of driveshaft ...
Doesn't help solve the problem but I'm curious - has the bike been sitting in storage for a long time, given both ends are seized?

And now you're making me nervous about my splines – I also came across this video on my Facebook feed.
 

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Are you certain the splines are seized at the front? I ask this as I understand there's a circlip that holds the shaft in place at the gearbox output shaft – the shaft can be levered past the circlip with a screwdriver.

An owner on another forum removed the shaft and rear drive and took them to a driveline specialist and they were able to press the items apart to good effect. He was then able to clean and grease them for reassembly.
 

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So, bought outside the motorrad network but you have proof of a full-service history. BMW UK are being a bit mean on this. Has the local BMW dealer evaluated it and reported to BMW UK?



If this is indeed a manufacturing defect then it may be worth taking some specialist legal advice if you are unable to get BMW UK to help. I would have thought they would have gone 50/50.
 

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So, bought outside the motorrad network but you have proof of a full-service history. BMW UK are being a bit mean on this. Has the local BMW dealer evaluated it and reported to BMW UK?



If this is indeed a manufacturing defect then it may be worth taking some specialist legal advice if you are unable to get BMW UK to help. I would have thought they would have gone 50/50.
The local dealer will not accept my claim and bmw uk says the dealers decision is final as all motorrad dealers are independant .Today i have sent an email direct to bmw motorrad in germany pointing out my disgust at the treatment i have received .My next course of action was citizens advice ,I wonder how many bikes about with this fault ?.
 

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The local dealer will not accept my claim and bmw uk says the dealers decision is final as all motorrad dealers are independent .Today i have sent an email direct to bmw motorrad in germany pointing out my disgust at the treatment i have received .My next course of action was citizens advice ,I wonder how many bikes about with this fault ?.
In the mean time i am soaking both ends of the driveshaft in penetrating oil in the hope one end releases .
 

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That sounds like bull Paul.


They are correct, that in general importers (Motorrad UK in this case) are usually independent businesses independent of the manufacturer. The manufacturer appoints distributers in each market it wishes to operate in. They deal with all the legal issues, run the warranty scheme and in turn appoint suitable dealers to sell and service the bikes – all to the manufacturer’s specification and satisfaction. The dealers are of course independent of the importer whom is usually independent of the manufacturer.

But it is the importer that runs the warranty scheme. The dealer cannot repair your bike, in terms of no charge or Motorrad UK contribution, without the approval of Motorrad UK whom would be footing the bill.

I’ve no idea if at the end of the day you will have any joy. But it would seem reasonable, if this is a manufacturing defect, and the bike has a full-service history, for Motorrad to make some sort of contribution.

They might not want to know because you did not buy the bike from their network, that might be their get out, but presumably they originally supplied the bike and those components should not fail at a mere 6000 miles.

And it is a worry. Don't like to hear of folks having such issues. This is my first BMW bike. I liked the bike when I test rode it. That and the improving reputation of BMW in terms of reliability along with their three year warranty finally tempted me away from Japanese bikes which rarely have any such major issues.
 

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That sounds like bull Paul.


They are correct, that in general importers (Motorrad UK in this case) are usually independent businesses independent of the manufacturer. The manufacturer appoints distributers in each market it wishes to operate in. They deal with all the legal issues, run the warranty scheme and in turn appoint suitable dealers to sell and service the bikes – all to the manufacturer’s specification and satisfaction. The dealers are of course independent of the importer whom is usually independent of the manufacturer.

But it is the importer that runs the warranty scheme. The dealer cannot repair your bike, in terms of no charge or Motorrad UK contribution, without the approval of Motorrad UK whom would be footing the bill.

I’ve no idea if at the end of the day you will have any joy. But it would seem reasonable, if this is a manufacturing defect, and the bike has a full-service history, for Motorrad to make some sort of contribution.

They might not want to know because you did not buy the bike from their network, that might be their get out, but presumably they originally supplied the bike and those components should not fail at a mere 6000 miles.

And it is a worry. Don't like to hear of folks having such issues. This is my first BMW bike. I liked the bike when I test rode it. That and the improving reputation of BMW in terms of reliability along with their three year warranty finally tempted me away from Japanese bikes which rarely have any such major issues.
Thank.s Gareth I have been a Bmw fan for a number of years having owned four so far i also have an Rt with 29k which when i inspected the final drive that one was perfect they are very good bikes this has left me a bit deflated but i intend to carry on fighting my corner cheers,
 
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