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Hello - I'm considering purchasing an '07 R1200R with very low miles and in near new condition. I can afford a new R1200R...but like everyone else...always like to save $$.

My questions are:
Has the R1200R truly evolved from 2007 to present 2012?
Are there known issues with any particular model years? '07 in particular?
Does anyone know of a website that shows changes within a single BMW model over that model's production run?
What is a good US price for an '07 R12R with under 5K miles, ABS and centerstand...but nothing else...excellent outward condition?

Thanks in advance for your input! I need it, guys!
 

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Hey Birkerfender,
I'm not familiar with 07 models but I know there were some good engine changes on the 2011+
Maximum torque raised to 119 Nm at 6000 rpm, and rated power raised to 81 kW (110 hp) at 7750 rpm.
Maximum engine speed now raised from 8000 to 8500 rpm.
Spontaneous response with optimised controllability and clearly improved load-alteration effects.
Cylinder-head covers now with two instead of the previous four mounting bolts and a new, dynamic styling.
Electronically controlled exhaust flap for a superior powerful sound.
Redesigned cockpit with two round analogue instruments.
New hydraulic reservoirs with a smoked glass look.
And more.
I think if you can afford a new one, you should just get it and have the priceless peace of mind, remember that low miles does not mean is good.
You can abuse a bike 5k miles or you can pamper the same bike 10k, I'll take the pampered one.
whatever you do, come back and let us know.
 

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Thank You, Hoshiko! Your thoughts and insight are valuable. My wife is tired of hearing of R1200R's...and like you, states "just go buy the new one" - likely just to keep future R1200R conversations to a minimum.

Its just the cheapskate gene in me... I'm much inclined just to pay a bit more, and buy a new one, primarily based upon my belief that those first few hundred miles set the stage for the remainder of that engine's reliability and performance. If I could be virtually assured of the history of the used '07, I would be inclined to purchase it...as it is now...I cannot be wholly assured. Hey, its just money, and its tough to express the satisfaction of knowing a bike was broken in properly, never abused, and maintained to a "T".

On a sidenote, I'm also looking for a special puppy to replace my 15 year old Schnauzer who recently went to Schnauz-Heaven. I found a very nice replacement...but the little dog is 8 months old...beyond the formative months. Kinda like missing that break-in period, first valve adjustment, etc. I'm opting to walk on by the 8 month old...and will remain looking for a bright 8 week old...still in the formative stages of life.

Thanks for enduring my yammering...I need the outside guidance!
 

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On a sidenote, I'm also looking for a special puppy to replace my 15 year old Schnauzer who recently went to Schnauz-Heaven. I found a very nice replacement...but the little dog is 8 months old...beyond the formative months. Kinda like missing that break-in period, first valve adjustment, etc. I'm opting to walk on by the 8 month old...and will remain looking for a bright 8 week old...still in the formative stages of life.

Thanks for enduring my yammering...I need the outside guidance!
I couldn't say it better, I have 2 dogs, and love them to dead, I think adopting is awesome thing to do but, every time I look an adopting, all I find are dogs with problems, old or sick.

Don't get the bike that is going to eat your area rug, pee in your bed, bark all night long and chew everything you leave unattended on the coffee table.

Here is a pic of the little retarded male one.
 

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I couldn't say it better, I have 2 dogs, and love them to dead, I think adopting is awesome thing to do but, every time I look an adopting, all I find are dogs with problems, old or sick.

Don't get the bike that is going to eat your area rug, pee in your bed, bark all night long and chew everything you leave unattended on the coffee table.

Here is a pic of the little retarded male one.
Hoshiko,

Sorry, had to chime in here on the dog adoption thing :p

I have two retired racing Greyhounds that my wife and I adopted and they are by far the best dogs I've ever had. They are mellow, loving, always trying to please and easy to train and handle even at their adopted ages of 5 and 7 years old. We have now had them for two years.

Our female had been banged up from her "career" with a broken rear leg which has not healed 100% and has shakes due to nerve damage. After her injury they used her to breed two litters as she was a good racer herself. Despite the injury, she runs around and has a great time and is the sweetest girl ever.

Never assume because a dog is up for adoption that it should be written off. Everyone deserves a second chance ;)



Birkenfelder,

Buy a new 2012 if you can afford it. I ordered mine in Dec and have had it now for around 4 weeks. I've already got just over 400 miles on it and still going through the break in. I love every minute on my bike.

 

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Thanks Fleuger99 & Hoshiko!

Normally I pride myself on the ability to make relatively quick...and correct decisions. Heck, in a past life I got paid pretty well for doing just that. But buying an R1200R (and new puppy too!) has relegated me to the near status of a washrag wringing spinster great aunt deciding what type of squash dish to bring to the next family event.

Both little hound and bike decisions WILL be made soon...and updates and pics will follow.
 

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Fleuger99, I was just trying to convince the purchase of a new bike.
I agree with you, although is not as easy here in NYC, I tried to adopt dogs several times, unfortunately, 99% of the dog population here are Pit Bulls used for fighting, my neighbor adopted 2 of them, they are adorable and extremely nice to people, well train but both have gotten in to fights at the dog run.
The other 1% are older, and I mean older or sick dogs, I love dogs so much in order to rescue a 13 year old, sick, blind Maltese, just to break my hearth in month when passes away.
One day, I'll move out my 750 Sq Ft NY apartment and will look in to go out of the city and take one of those "real size" Greyhounds.

Birkelfelder, You jost got your answer: BUY THE NEW BIKE AND ADOPT RETIRED GREYHOUNDS. The best of both words.
 

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Fleuger99, I was just trying to convince the purchase of a new bike.
I agree with you, although is not as easy here in NYC, I tried to adopt dogs several times, unfortunately, 99% of the dog population here are Pit Bulls used for fighting, my neighbor adopted 2 of them, they are adorable and extremely nice to people, well train but both have gotten in to fights at the dog run.
The other 1% are older, and I mean older or sick dogs, I love dogs so much in order to rescue a 13 year old, sick, blind Maltese, just to break my hearth in month when passes away.
One day, I'll move out my 750 Sq Ft NY apartment and will look in to go out of the city and take one of those "real size" Greyhounds.

Birkelfelder, You jost got your answer: BUY THE NEW BIKE AND ADOPT RETIRED GREYHOUNDS. The best of both words.
Hey Hoshiko,

It was just my 2 cents. It doesn't work for everyone ;)

By all means, do bike the new bike and please adopt some Greyhounds LOL! :D
 

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First post!

My research into R1200Rs says that they depreciate quite rapidly. I have had great luck with used bikes over the years and have yet to buy a new one. I am in the same boat being that I can afford a new one too. Though I am seriously tempted by the 2011 Classic at the local dealer with the bags and all for $15K. But generally, 2007 models are below $10K with less than 10K miles even with bags, windscreen, engine guards, etc. already installed.

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First post!

My research into R1200Rs says that they depreciate quite rapidly. I have had great luck with used bikes over the years and have yet to buy a new one. I am in the same boat being that I can afford a new one too. Though I am seriously tempted by the 2011 Classic at the local dealer with the bags and all for $15K. But generally, 2007 models are below $10K with less than 10K miles even with bags, windscreen, engine guards, etc. already installed.

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Hey Mean, welcome to the forum.

My wife and I try to go out to a fancy dinner (date) once a month, she chooses the restaurant once and the next time is my decision, There are lots and lots of places I want to go with food from all around the world but, for some reason, going to a good steak house always makes me the happiest.
My wife won't eat anything else but filet mignon, and up to few years ago, she ordered medium well :eek:. I always tough what a waste of money for the most boring piece of meat, got in to few arguments with her about that, then realized that she enjoyed going out with me as much as I did and eating whatever she likes, so I stopped making comments and let her get whatever makes her happy.

And whit that said, my advice is, Get whatever makes you happy
 

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My wife won't eat anything else but filet mignon, and up to few years ago, she ordered medium well :eek:. I always tough what a waste of money for the most boring piece of meat, got in to few arguments with her about that, then realized that she enjoyed going out with me as much as I did and eating whatever she likes, so I stopped making comments and let her get whatever makes her happy.

And whit that said, my advice is, Get whatever makes you happy
Creepy. While we don't do fancy dinner as often, my wife orders the same. Mostly because she doesn't eat a whole lot in one sitting and the smaller sizes of the fillet are good for her. I think she opts for medium but I never argued with her about it. LOL!

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Mostly because she doesn't eat a whole lot in one sitting and the smaller sizes of the fillet are good for her.
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And that's why you need to adopt the retired greyhounds, so your wife orders something else, and the doggies get some of that good left over dinner. :D:D
 

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Sometimes I vaccillate like an old lady...

Hello Hoshiko & Flueger! I hope you guys haven't assumed I've given up on an R1200R... I've just been doing a bit of homework, footdragging, and shopping.

The '07 I mentioned in starting this thread was almost immediately sold "sight unseen"...for asking price...to a waaay out of state buyer. I guess the buyer knew what he was looking for, and is a big proponent of blind faith.

After bugging the sales guys at my local BMW shop, I was 99% set on buying a new R12R...when I stumbled across an ad for a 2011 R12R. It was purchased new in 11/2011, ridden three time (748 miles) , and then put to winter bed. Its a long story. The short of it is that the bike had to go. After verifying the facts, I decided to save a few $$ and buy the lightly used R12R. The bike is virtually like new, ABS, ASC, system cases (not yet mounted), onboard computer, and more. So far, so good! I just put another 150 miles on it, and wonder why I didn't own one much earlier. Whatta treat!

I wish the bike had the sport seat versus the high comfort seat - I'll keep an open mind though, and will give the present seat every consideration. I'll likely add either the color matched Wunderlich Trophy fairing...or the Wüdo sport fairing. Either one seems pricey for what they are, but I still have too much R90S sentiment left in me to avoid them. A Ztechnik storage pod is also en route.

Speaking of Ztechnik...the bike came with a new (never unboxed) Ztechnik Z2444 VStream Touring Windscreen that I will sell for any reasonable offer. Seems like a super product, especially the wrinkle finish brackets and screen curvature...but not my style.

Oh, almost forgot...haven't replaced by second love...my old (deceased) Schnauzer...but have been actively talking with breeders and owners of Bull Terriers. No, not pit bulls...the spuds Target type of hundt! Shopping for a new canine pal has been slow, and parallels the R12R shopping. Puppy (new) or young adult (used)? - tough decision and my mind is open for both options.

More to come... once the R12 is a bit "done up"...with a new dog pal included in pics!
 

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Hello Hoshiko & Flueger! I hope you guys haven't assumed I've given up on an R1200R... I've just been doing a bit of homework, footdragging, and shopping.

The '07 I mentioned in starting this thread was almost immediately sold "sight unseen"...for asking price...to a waaay out of state buyer. I guess the buyer knew what he was looking for, and is a big proponent of blind faith.

After bugging the sales guys at my local BMW shop, I was 99% set on buying a new R12R...when I stumbled across an ad for a 2011 R12R. It was purchased new in 11/2011, ridden three time (748 miles) , and then put to winter bed. Its a long story. The short of it is that the bike had to go. After verifying the facts, I decided to save a few $$ and buy the lightly used R12R. The bike is virtually like new, ABS, ASC, system cases (not yet mounted), onboard computer, and more. So far, so good! I just put another 150 miles on it, and wonder why I didn't own one much earlier. Whatta treat!

I wish the bike had the sport seat versus the high comfort seat - I'll keep an open mind though, and will give the present seat every consideration. I'll likely add either the color matched Wunderlich Trophy fairing...or the Wüdo sport fairing. Either one seems pricey for what they are, but I still have too much R90S sentiment left in me to avoid them. A Ztechnik storage pod is also en route.

Speaking of Ztechnik...the bike came with a new (never unboxed) Ztechnik Z2444 VStream Touring Windscreen that I will sell for any reasonable offer. Seems like a super product, especially the wrinkle finish brackets and screen curvature...but not my style.

Oh, almost forgot...haven't replaced by second love...my old (deceased) Schnauzer...but have been actively talking with breeders and owners of Bull Terriers. No, not pit bulls...the spuds Target type of hundt! Shopping for a new canine pal has been slow, and parallels the R12R shopping. Puppy (new) or young adult (used)? - tough decision and my mind is open for both options.

More to come... once the R12 is a bit "done up"...with a new dog pal included in pics!
That sounds like the perfect story. great bike, I guess best of both words, used but new.
Hope you negotiated the price and got a great deal. And also hope you find you animal in the same condition you found your bike.

We'll see you around.
 

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Congrats on the new (to you) bike. Looks awesome. I purchased and installed the shorter Ztechnik sport shield on my 2012 R1200 and I absolutely love it. The product is also top quality so if someone is looking for a good quality shield maybe you can get a good deal from Birkenfelder.

I've just crossed 2K miles on my bike now and love it more every ride. In July a buddy and I are going to ride up to Toronto Canada for a week. I'm estimating another 2K miles for the entire trip.

Adopt a "used" doggy like you got your used bike. There are so many awesome dogs out there looking for homes. Now remember, ride the bike but walk the dog ;-)
 

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Ride it

Ha-Ha-!
Now, THAT's funny !!!
Where did you get that?
 
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