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Static tip over - muffler damage question.

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With panniers removed, does a fall-over to the right damage the exhaust muffler?
If so;
  • Is there a muffler band or cover available for increased protection?
  • Can the pillion pegs somehow be ‘padded/extended outwards’ slightly to offer improved protection?

Thank you, Selby.
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Put a thick blanket on the ground and lay the bike down on its right side - then you’ll know. Good practice for picking it up if it does fall, too.
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I've seen him demo this on a GS Adventure, using the mirror stalk
Some good tips in there, but the mirror stalk? You risk breaking the clutch or brake lever assembly depending on which side it has fallen. Then you're in real trouble ($$$$$$).

Adventure bikes have higher handlebars, so there's some merit in favouring this approach with them. Having said that I managed to pick up the 1250GS in Italy with full Vario panniers and top-case using the back-to-the-seat approach. The advantage with Boxers is the cylinder sticking out on the bottom side of the fallen bike - it gives you a head start as the bike can be rocked on the cylinder, lifting the upper part some way from the ground, giving you better leverage and a higher grip point.
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You may know this already but l didn’t until recently. If you set your ESA ride height to Maximum before turning off the ignition it gives you extra mm and increases lean angle. Not perfect but useful. Only takes a few seconds. Cheers 😎
And hit the kill switch then alight before key-off to allow the suspension to rise a bit. The ESA forks are very hard to compress when the key is off, so you’ll gain a tad more lean angle on the side stand.
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Mike, Mike, Mike - weren’t you paying attention? That’s the exact same causeway in which I did exactly the same thing a couple of weeks ago! And I had the same self reflection afterwards. Mine just folded the other way, and I had Andy there to help me pick it up off the slimy surface.
I did report the condition of the causeway to the Muswellbrook Council suggesting they add warning signs, given I knew of three other riders who had come down on it. Maybe that was why the warning sign trailer was on the left as you approached - it wasn’t there when I slid through. Do you recall what it said?
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Hydroplane. I doubt that a slippery surface below that puddle would take you down. If I slow th replay down, it sure looks like the front wheel is pushed off the pavement.
I can assure you Jim, that green slime coating the concrete under the water is super slippery. Hydroplaning would have required a much higher speed - there’s barely a splash from Mike’s front wheel.
I was going a tad slower than Mike and the bike did exactly the same.
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@Panzermann I didn't want to be left out; if you could do it, so can I. I got going and stopped a couple of Ks down, a GS ride pulled up alongside looking quite annoyed and said he just went over on the causeway.
I learned afterwards from a KTM 1290 Adventure rider at the car wash in Cowes that the best technique is to approach with enough speed so you can pull the clutch and coast through so there’s less risk of the back wheel pushing the front. He’d successfully crossed this particular causeway on the same day and saw a damaged bike nearby. At a Denman cafe that morning we were told of another bike that had gone down the day prior and we also stopped for a Tiger 1200 that had a cracked radiator from falling there - he’d also seen a parked up faller.
The oncoming lane centre wheel track might have been a better option too as the algae seemed to be thicker on the uphill side.
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… The rear wheel does not like trying to transmit drive power, even the slightest bit, to the road surface. Whoosh! away goes the rear wheel in a flash.
I don’t believe I was transmitting any extra power - the front just folded on me, as it seems to have done with Mike. Any rev rise was due to me falling off the inside of the bike.

My riding buddy on a T120 Triumph sailed right through on a steady throttle. He has a narrower, 18” BT46 front tyre and, likely, somewhat lazier front end geometry. I noticed on our last trip to World SBK in October he sailed through deep gravel roadworks confidently, whereas the Panzer’s front felt very nervous, notwithstanding a light touch on the bars.
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Bear in mind Jim this is slow speed, through water, over an irregular concrete surface and with the rear wheel pushing the bike, so there are any number of forces that come to play that could push the front wheel a tad out of line, then grip it in a way that makes the front fold, no matter how light the throttle and your grip on the bars. Remember, too, that at low speed you are making tiny corrections to keep the bike vertical - any one of them interrupted by these forces and the traction required to make them effective will have a significant effect on a bike with road geometry and sporting tyres.
The fact that I did exactly the same thing in the same place in mirror image two weeks prior (same direction but falling to the left) says something.
Two mates from the recent Phillip Island trip are travelling to Qld and went through in the opposite direction a couple days ago. The Rockster sailed through OK (maybe the Telelever helps) but very nervous for the Benelli Tre, and lucky to come through unscathed.
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Don’t know what you’re all on about …
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It's not called Up Over ...

I must have missed the memo
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Parking in neutral can often be risky. I use the kill switch to turn off the engine, alight, lift the suspension a little, then ‘key off’. As Mike indicates, the front suspension is hard to compress when the key is off.
I ride my 1200 on Dynamic ESA most of the time - the additional rear preload lifts the bike a little, too, adding to the lean angle when parked.
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@r0ckrat, we were both travelling in the same direction. I fell to the left side, @mikeS to the right.
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I think you are right @r0ckrat, the @Panzermann did say he fell twice at the same spot but coming in opposite directions.
I’m not sure how you both came to that conclusion - maybe it’s because we look so much alike, Mike, that in your minds you both concatenated our separate experiences on the water crossing.
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So, @Panzermann, did your wheel move downstream or upstream in your fall? (And if @mikeS fell in the same spot, same question to you?)
Like Mike, but in mirror image L-R.
Note that I did warn him about that particular crossing a couple weeks prior, just as I had been warned of it that morning at our breakfast stop cafe.
Slow learners …
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As you say @Panzermann I wasn't paying attention .
I was distracted by my riding buddy on the other side emphatically waving me past. Of course I needed to be focussed on clearing the hazard before I could heed his direction, so the gesturing was actually worse than helpful. He did have the good grace to help me raise the Panzer to verticality though.
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