[Pale Roadster]

I just got the email about the 2022 S1000R and I'm thinking of taking a test ride when it's available. If a R1300R could blow my socks off I'd sure look at that too. I think I'm who they are marketing to, middle aged, enough income/credit to ride what I want, and I like toys and HP. If it's got problems a 3 year warranty let's me dump it before it can bury me.

136HP from 1252cc isn't terrible, but we all know they can find 160+HP if they look hard enough. Hopefully they can figure out how to design, build and lube a shaft drive system by then. Even Ural can build a driveshaft.

If you're planning to buy used they aren't designing for you, just realistically they can only be expected to design for people buying new.

 

[Pale Roadster]

I’d be trying the all-new Triumph Speed Triple too - 132kW, 125Nm and 196kg. 👌

Indeed I nearly bought the first gen I think they called it T509, but the leg room is worse than the R, and I am holding a bit of a grudge for all the union jack waving on an Asian made bike. Love many Asian bikes mind you, but don't try to slap me around with your union jack and "patriotism" after laying everyone off and moving to Thailand. Still, nice equipment and impressive sounding numbers.

 

[Pale Roadster]

Sounds like all the models will have the same engine size.
The regular GS will probably be called a R1300R and the GSA will be called a R1400GS.

BMW could have used the R1400GS as a place holder, or even the person developing they site/program could have typed it in, I will be surprised if they release a 1300 and 1400, with the same engine displacement no less, at the same time. I am interested in the idea of the M1300GS though. I know when I first heard there would be a M motorcycle (how did it take so long?) I was hoping for an M1250RS.

New models don't have to come with increased displacement, BMW had the right idea back in the 1930s, Kompressor! How about a R1300RK that can outrun a K1300R? They could buy superchargers from Kawasaki, so they don't even need to develop anything.

 

[Pale Roadster]

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I honestly wouldn't want anything heavier than the already heavy R1250R (and my guess is many 1250GS owners don't want an even heavier version of that monster either), at least in that sporty guise. Plus no need for more power on a roadster, and I've owned Hayabusas and all. At this pace, I guess an R1800R is not out of the question, with the lean angle of a boat. Ha ha. Anyway, hopefully the 1300 version is not any wider, so just a re-bore of the current 1250. Does anybody know what the actual CCs are on the 1300? After all, our current 1254 already qualifies as a 1300, by industry standards .

I don't think we will see a huge reduction in weight, drop off liquid cooling and a bunch of sensors etc and you have an R9T which is all of 40# lighter. And look at the S1000RR, 426# vs the HP4 at 377# saving 49# for about $55K extra, can I afford a significantly lighter R? I guess I don't need more power either; however, if I was buying a bike out of need, it would probably look more like the Honda Navi, or that Trail 125.

 

[Pale Roadster]

After the 2023 R1250R didn't meet the expectations, here is something maxbe worth saving my pennys. Article says it has drysump, an aluminium frame and Telelever
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An Al frame on a GS, I bet it's light, like 615#s light! It does look like the engine is narrower and the valve cover is smaller. And that's a decent solution for making the enormous tumor of a muffler visually smaller.

Seeing what the dealer gets for a standard oil change I dread the thought of paying for a dry sump service. I long ago worked on a race car with dry sump and draining all the oil was a pain, to be fair the engine wasn't designed for dry sump so we'll see.