I honestly wouldn't want anything heavier than the already heavy R1250R (and my guess is many 1250GS owners don't want an even heavier version of that monster either), at least in that sporty guise. Plus no need for more power on a roadster, and I've owned Hayabusas and all. At this pace, I guess an R1800R is not out of the question, with the lean angle of a boat. Ha ha. Anyway, hopefully the 1300 version is not any wider, so just a re-bore of the current 1250. Does anybody know what the actual CCs are on the 1300? After all, our current 1254 already qualifies as a 1300, by industry standards .

 

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I don't think we will see a huge reduction in weight, drop off liquid cooling and a bunch of sensors etc and you have an R9T which is all of 40# lighter. And look at the S1000RR, 426# vs the HP4 at 377# saving 49# for about $55K extra, can I afford a significantly lighter R? I guess I don't need more power either; however, if I was buying a bike out of need, it would probably look more like the Honda Navi, or that Trail 125.

 

Oh yeah, there's no way the R would get much lighter (maybe std. wheels with half the spokes?), so my point was I don't want it any heavier either . And in the case of my HP, those heavy metal parts in front don't help the cause either. Ha ha. I wouldn't mind those parts being hard plastic, like the rest of the bike. The metal parts are painted anyway, so unnecessary IMO. Anyway, I just don't see the need to keep making vehicles ever more powerful, needing larger fuel tanks, due to decreased fuel economy. I don't think BMW can pull another 'miracle' to improve fuel economy on a larger engine, like they did with the 1250 (vs 1200). They should focus on making their engines more efficient, and bulletproof, not skimping with different suppliers to save pennies. But still curious what the 1300 does to the R, although this is probably my last R bike (plan to keep it until it's not safe for me to ride anymore).

 

The GS range are usually first to get the upgrades (test bed for us R owners!) and R1300 and R1400 engineers are apparently coming……

 

Engines sorry, not engineers!

 

BMW should just make an R1800GS, using the R18 engine

 

Does anybody know what the actual CCs are on the 1300? After all, our current 1254 already qualifies as a 1300, by industry standards .

Dunno. But that’s a good point, and maybe why our 1250’s are called 1250’s. You know, the old drip drip drip. Helps the sales.

 

Yes just make sure you have a tube of ky jelly handy next time you look at the shiny new ones in the showroom guys - having enquired about trade in for my r1250 r I was well and truly surprised , especially considering all prices are going up ( work for major car dealer and used cars are rocketing in price ) except for bikes it seems especially luxury brands like bmw , not cheap to buy or service etc . Bikes it seems are dropping like stones in value according to the reaming I got for trade in prices .

 

Yes just make sure you have a tube of ky jelly handy next time you look at the shiny new ones in the showroom guys - having enquired about trade in for my r1250 r I was well and truly surprised , especially considering all prices are going up ( work for major car dealer and used cars are rocketing in price ) except for bikes it seems especially luxury brands like bmw , not cheap to buy or service etc . Bikes it seems are dropping like stones in value according to the reaming I got for trade in prices .

Not thinking of trading in any time soon. Could be tempted if there was a new R1300R coming out. But yeah I’d want a decent deal.

The next couple of years are going to be interesting. As you say used car prices have soared due to the supply issues with new cars. And there seems to be no end in sight to the shortage of electronics, if anything it is getting worse.

Bike dealers may struggle over the next year. Inflation is gonna hit 10% plus here in the UK. Not many folks are gonna pick up 10% pay rises to keep up. Heating bills in particular are soaring like nothing we’ve ever seen before (though note the cost of extracting oil and gas has not gone up one penny).

The bike market is a leisure market. Lots of people will be tightening their belts over the next year.

 

Yes I know Gareth everything you say is very true and I cannot believe the government have allowed the criminal hike in energy prices . Not wanting to hi jack this thread so will do a separate one 😀🤔

 

Wonder what the 1300 changes are going to be. Our 1250, at 1254cc, should be considered a 1300, at least by normal standards. I honestly don't think the R needs any more power or weight, and neither the GS, which is already a pig by off-road standards. I'd put that money to make it lighter (with an aluminum frame), even if it wouldn't be that much.

 

Yes that would be good and nice set of lightweight wheels as well

 

Oh yeah, forged wheels too . That, and a lighter aluminum frame, is all this bike needs IMO. Otherwise, it'd never end, and by the next decade, we'd be looking at an R2500R, with the handling and cornering of a dump truck. Ha ha.

 

After the 2023 R1250R didn't meet the expectations, here is something maxbe worth saving my pennys. Article says it has drysump, an aluminium frame and Telelever

 

After the 2023 R1250R didn't meet the expectations, here is something maxbe worth saving my pennys. Article says it has drysump, an aluminium frame and Telelever
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An Al frame on a GS, I bet it's light, like 615#s light! It does look like the engine is narrower and the valve cover is smaller. And that's a decent solution for making the enormous tumor of a muffler visually smaller.

Seeing what the dealer gets for a standard oil change I dread the thought of paying for a dry sump service. I long ago worked on a race car with dry sump and draining all the oil was a pain, to be fair the engine wasn't designed for dry sump so we'll see.

 

The F800 engine is dry sump, with the reservoir integrated into the crankcase. So oil changes are just pull the sump plug and unscrew the filter, same as your 1200 Boxer. I’d be very surprised if the R13 was any different.

 

That’s the Akra muffler - wonder what the stock one will look like.

 

A chromed elephant’s leg?

 

New spy pictures

 

According to this Motorcycle.com article from today, the specs are in on the new 1300 boxer engine. Presuming there are no tweaks between the GS and the R, these are the numbers we can expect…not significant on paper, and I wonder if the real-world feel is at all noticeable:

“According to the Swiss homologation data, the new GS claims a peak output of 143.5 hp at 7,750 rpm, an increase over the current engine's claimed 134.1 hp at 7,750 rpm. The listed peak torque also shows some improvement, with the documentation listing the R 1300 GS at 109.9 lb-ft. at 6,500 rpm, compared to the R 1250 GS' certified 105.5 lb-ft. at 6,250 rpm. The documentation lists a top speed of 140 mph, compared to 136 mph for the current model.”

 

According to this Motorcycle.com article from today, the specs are in on the new 1300 boxer engine. Presuming there are no tweaks between the GS and the R, these are the numbers we can expect…not significant on paper, and I wonder if the real-world feel is at all notable:

“According to the Swiss homologation data, the new GS claims a peak output of 143.5 hp at 7,750 rpm, an increase over the current engine's claimed 134.1 hp at 7,750 rpm. The listed peak torque also shows some improvement, with the documentation listing the R 1300 GS at 109.9 lb-ft. at 6,500 rpm, compared to the R 1250 GS' certified 105.5 lb-ft. at 6,250 rpm. The documentation lists a top speed of 140 mph, compared to 136 mph for the current model.”

As a brief follow-up to yesterday's post above, ADVRider.com added this nugget:

". . . it appears the engine will move beyond the current 'liquid-cooled head' design of the R1250 engine to a fully liquid-cooled design. This may allow the engine itself to be somewhat lighter."

 

From today’s Motorcycle.com…sounds like the 1300 engine is indeed bringing with it some notable weight loss:


“Good news, if you’re saving your money and eagerly awaiting the new BMW R1300 GS. Although we initially expected this machine to come in heavier than the current R1250 model, it seems the new bike may actually shed quite a bit of weight.

Motorcycle.com originally arrived at a guess of 552 pounds for the new GS, a slight increase over the current model. But documents filed with Australian regulators actually indicate a weight of 522.5 pounds at the curb.

If that number is right, that means the new GS would actually be 26.5 pounds lighter than the current R1250 GS model. It would even come in 15.5 pounds lighter than the F850 GS Adventure model, with its massive 6-gal fuel tank.



How would BMW find such weight savings? Clever re-working of the engine will certainly help. Liquid cooling often results in weight savings, as engineers can trim down the mass that’s otherwise necessary to dissipate heat. Of course, a ground-up re-design of the engine would also potentially find new savings. Or maybe alterations to the chassis reduced weight. As engineers learn how to use new materials, they are able to cut a lot of pork that was previously held as unavoidable. “

 

Latest leak pictures

LEAKED! 2024 BMW R 1300 GS production-ready model images

The first undisguised images of the production-ready BMW R 1300 GS have surfaced on the web. These pictures have been leaked from a type approval document that the Bavarian bikemaker filed in Australia.

www.bikewale.com

 

Latest leak pictures

LEAKED! 2024 BMW R 1300 GS production-ready model images

The first undisguised images of the production-ready BMW R 1300 GS have surfaced on the web. These pictures have been leaked from a type approval document that the Bavarian bikemaker filed in Australia.

www.bikewale.com

Not a good look IMO

 

It is almost here. Somewhere in my inbox is an invite to view the new GS1300 in Glasgow. Naturally I’m not quite sad enough to attend such an event, and anyway my first comment would obviously be – ‘so when do you expect to have the R1300R in stock’

I might attend the dealer once that is available for a test ride.

 

I expect the new R to be presented 1-2 years after the GS, if you look at past generations, that was the timing, unfortunately.
The only GS that could interest me would be the M version if it comes out with 17 inch wheels front and rear, like the Multistrada Pikes Peak.

 

Article says it has drysump, an aluminium frame and Telelever

Interesting pathway to weight loss, though I've broken most every aluminum framed bicycle I've ever owned with lots of miles and hard training / racing. I'd think hard about this on a high-mileage moto.

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Bikes it seems are dropping like stones in value according to the reaming I got for trade in prices .

No surprise, see every article about dropping rider numbers, etc. Though the cost to make new ones never goes down, feeding the need of supply to those who are aficionados.

 

No surprise, see every article about dropping rider numbers, etc. Though the cost to make new ones never goes down, feeding the need of supply to those who are aficionados.

I used to buy new bikes, but can't justify the tremendous cost of new ones. My current bike is 10 years old and had 22k on it when I bought it. Still plenty of life left in it and I paid $5700 for it complete with a full set of hard bags.

There are a lot of bikes out there with 4 or 5 thousand miles on them that are 8 to 10 years old. They are like new and cost a fraction of new. Many of them have been farkled to the hilt too.

Yes, you don't get a warranty. Yes, you won't know all the maintenance history and you will need to do everything that may not have been done. But for the cost difference between a good used bike and a new one you can do a lot of maintenance and repairs.

Maybe one day when I win the lottery I'll go buy a $25k motorcycle. But as long as I have to work for a living, I am not going into debt to buy toys.

 

There are a lot of bikes out there with 4 or 5 thousand miles on them that are 8 to 10 years old.

Sure there are lots of great 10 year old bikes, but you won’t find a 10 year old R1250R. I don’t know how much they are in the USA but in the UK the R1250R starts at just over £12,000 OTR which is great value. If I specced one today it would come to just over £14K which is still good value when you look at the price of rivals - most of them are much more expesnive.

The only GS that could interest me would be the M version if it comes out with 17 inch wheels front and rear, like the Multistrada Pikes Peak.

I’m just not into GS’s.

So, R1300R – well we’ll just have to wait and see. It better have indicators that work!

 

Mark your diaries - 28 September. Screenshot of a social media post by @mikeS’s dealer.

 

 

It would be VERY uncommon to build a newer model that is less advanced than the previous one...

 

All that tech crap gives me a headache.

I’d keep the ABS and Active suspension. Oh cruise control I like. These things I find are actually useful.

But other than that in terms of tech, just an on/off switch (a *** key BMW, just a *** key please!!!), and maybe indicators, that well, indicate. That’s all I want.

Oh and the letters and numbers R1300R on the tank

 

All that tech crap gives me a headache.

Me too!

ABS and traction control is nice to have from a safety standpoint.

The rest you can keep.

I don't need a TFT display, phone integration, active suspension, cruise control, etc. Part of what makes a motorcycle fun is that it is elemental. Just give me the basics and lower the price several thousand dollars. Or...if you're going to charge a princely sum, make sure it has the worlds most advanced seat in regard to comfort and adjustable footpegs and controls. Every motorcycle I've ever owned I have to immediately get a seat for it. How can manufacturers make such advanced motorcycles yet feel like a vinyl covered piece of cheap foam is sufficient for the seat. Hire a freakin' ergonomics expert and make a revolutionary seat. I'd buy that over 10 more HP any day.

 

A prototype for destruction in BMW’s development graveyard.

 

So sad.

Back when I was in high school, the Saturn plant opened down the road. I went to school with several kids who were GM transplants. I remember one guys dad telling about how many cars they crushed. Most were test mules that they plucked form the assembly line to beat on until they broke. It might be something as simple as a suspension piece breaking....but they'd crush then entire car.

 

Their development bikes aren’t full spec models, and have no VIN, so they can’t be released to the public. Hence destruction.

I’d be hsppy to salvage some bits and bobs though …

 

Best we buy our dream bike if we don’t already have it before all the immature automated interventions come in and ruin our riding experience.