There are now rumours out there that BMW is working on a new fully water-cooled boxer engine with a capacity of 1300cc.

The current boxer engine is air/water cooled. A possible R1300GS test bike has been spotted with fully shrouded cylinders and two radiators.

BMW R1300GS: New test mules and trademarks point towards new engine

Presumably the R1300R would follow.

 

There are now rumours out there that BMW is working on a new fully water-cooled boxer engine with a capacity of 1300cc.

The current boxer engine is air/water cooled. A possible R1300GS test bike has been spotted with fully shrouded cylinders and two radiators.

BMW R1300GS: New test mules and trademarks point towards new engine

Presumably the R1300R would follow.

Since BMW does a full model update every 4 years, we ought to see really new stuff in 2023, right after they fully sort out the 2019-2022 models.
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That's why I am gearing up to get a 22 R Bike....and it might just be an RS this time. My neck isn't getting any younger, so a little "actual wind protection" would be nice....and I like the "light white" a bit more than the green metallic sauerkraut color of the last 2 model years.

Chucking the Brembo brakes might be something I am unable to accept, though. Any other brake system is a Step Down. WTAF is wrong with BMW?

 

Motorad's 100th Birthday will be 2023. Hope to see some interesting models come out.

My only Harley was a 2003 100th Anniversary Road King, maybe should have kept it as a cool stablemate for a 2023 100th Anniversary BMW XXXXXX.

Cheers, Dave

 

I have the 90th R1200RT I bought brand new and I've been holding out for the 100th edition. However, they've made the new RTs so porky that I may switch to an R1200R. I'm excited if they can roll out the 1300 that fast, but of course I worry about what problems it might have.

 

Interesting news. So only 9 more engine size changes before they hit the R18.

Blindingly obvious, but avoid buying a mk 1 of anything. Or indeed a "final" future proof version of anything. Look at the "final version of Windows", 10, and what has just been released as a beta version? 11. These large companies lie and lie all the time.

Anyway, I would not trust BMW Motorrad to produce a reliable fault free motorcycle. Their track record over the past 5 or 10 years says it all. Poor quality control. They build their motorcycles up to a price that they feel the consumer can finance.

However, I still like my 2011 Classic, for all it's minor flaws (fuel strip 😀).

Buy used motorcycles. There are some well-maintained reliable bikes around.

 

However, I still like my 2011 Classic, for all it's minor flaws (fuel strip 😀).

My fave R12. I put a matching (striped) Daytona fairing on mine plus a rear wheel hugger and it made an eye-catching combination. There are still a few used mint Classics of that vintage around here for sale...

 

Blindingly obvious, but avoid buying a mk 1 of anything. Or indeed a "final" future proof version of anything. Look at the "final version of Windows", 10, and what has just been released as a beta version? 11. These large companies lie and lie all the time.

I was quite happy to buy the mk1 R1250R, after all the motor had already been well tested in the GS launched some 18 months or so earlier.

And in case the R1250R was an evolution of the R1200R, and quite possibly the R1300R will be an evolution of the R1250R. So pretty much tried and tested. In any case If this rumour is correct, well, we'll have to wait again for the update on the R.

Anyway, I would not trust BMW Motorrad to produce a reliable fault free motorcycle. Their track record over the past 5 or 10 years says it all. Poor quality control. They build their motorcycles up to a price that they feel the consumer can finance.

What gets me is that the main issue with the LC/air cooled boxer is the shaft drive! And it is more the lack of customer service that worries me. Folks seem to do so much better in the USA, NZ etc than we do across the UK when things go wrong.

Buy used motorcycles. There are some well-maintained reliable bikes around.

I found it cheaper to buy a used R1250R, all the used ones were loaded with what are IMHO gimmicks, gimmicks which the dealers think and insist add value to the bike. And bikes generally hold their value so well it can make sense to buy new. And if nobody buys the new bikes……………

 

I was quite happy to buy the mk1 R1250R, after all the motor had already been well tested in the GS launched some 18 months or so earlier.

And in case the R1250R was an evolution of the R1200R, and quite possibly the R1300R will be an evolution of the R1250R. So pretty much tried and tested. In any case If this rumour is correct, well, we'll have to wait again for the update on the R.



What gets me is that the main issue with the LC/air cooled boxer is the shaft drive! And it is more the lack of customer service that worries me. Folks seem to do so much better in the USA, NZ etc than we do across the UK when things go wrong.



I found it cheaper to buy a used R1250R, all the used ones were loaded with what are IMHO gimmicks, gimmicks which the dealers think and insist add value to the bike. And bikes generally hold their value so well it can make sense to buy new. And if nobody buys the new bikes……………

Yes well having considered selling my r1250 r recently due to back problems I can see exactly why nobody should be buying new bikes - mines was bought new by me in dec 2020 so it’s 1 year and 4 months old - immaculate condition / full service history and was around 13 grand ( I think ) - so enquired about a trade in price - nearly fainted - approx £8200 was average quoted - BUT the stealers are still selling bikes which I doubt are as good nick and higher miles for £11500 - I know they have a business to pay for etc but WTF eh . If you got a decent price for your pay through the nose just to get that stamp on your book , cared for bike they would be selling a hell of a lot more new ones but no they think your just going to bend over for a royal shafting and make a mega profit for doing next to nothing ! . And up here in Scotland the dealers don’t really give a rats ass with the take it or leave it attitude they have - I’d see the point if it hadn’t been serviced , bald tyres and looked like it had been recovered from a bog for those prices - so this will be my last new bike and the dealers only have themselves to blame . Lower your profit margins and you will find you have more returning and satisfied customers. I know you do have a high depreciation as soon as you ride away from the showroom but the rectification costs on your average looked after bike ( which most are ) must be minimal so the profit margin must be huge ( of course dealers will say otherwise ) . So dealers give us a decent price for our cared for trade ins and you will sell more bikes in the long run - hell even dick Turpin wore a mask

 

With my first edition LC, I’m starting to feel like an old hex-head or cam-head owner.

As good as the 1250 is, it doesn’t attract me, and likely the 1300 will be the same.

 

As good as the 1250 is, it doesn’t attract me, and likely the 1300 will be the same.

I wouldn’t have considered the 1200, but the 1250 moved the game on a bit, and yeah if it appears I might just be interested in trading up to the 1300 (if the rumour is correct), that is if there are further significant improvements.

 

How much more powah they gonna make with 50 cc. When I was shopping for a bike, the BMW dealer claimed that the new boxer engines could make a lot more power. Maybe with all water cooling they will.

 

The only update that would encourage me to swap out my 1200RLC if BMW managed to drop a significant amount of weight. My ‘17 LC pretty much does everything I ask of it and I most certainly can’t outride the bikes handling or performance. Although the new TFT screen looks nice but not enough reason for an update to my LC.


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I wouldn’t mind 165 hp, if only for the straights. My objective in going to the BMW dealer was the S1000R but fortunately, they didn’t have a new one in stock.

 

1st gear redline and you're already breaking the speed limit. Fun, but you can't use it often if the popo are around.

 

On the topic of new models, the current s1000rr has some epic issues. Touch wood but I've been pretty lucky with most bikes I've owned.

 

I wouldn’t mind 165 hp, if only for the straights. My objective in going to the BMW dealer was the S1000R but fortunately, they didn’t have a new one in stock.

One thing about BMW is that their quoted figures seem to be pretty honest. SC Project got 133.2BHP from a standard R1250R and 100lbs torque.

When I was in the Glasgow dealer, they had a few of the latest S1000R’s in.

I didn’t try the previous model the other year when I was shopping for a new bike as you can’t fit a proper top box to it.

I did try an MT10 which will take a full set of luggage if desired. Looking at figures and dyno graphs I didn’t think it would be that much quicker than my lightly modified FZS1000, but it was. Perhaps the lower gearing accounts for a bit of its extra get up and go, but it was overall pretty darn aggressive. I was put off by its tendency to wheelie everywhere and its excessive fuel consumption (short range).

But yeah I’d expect the S1000R to be similar Dougl, very aggressive whereas the R1250R is quick but civilised.

I did find that for me the MT10 has a really nice riding position. The new S1000R in the showroom was nice other than the silly way too high (for me anyway) pegs. It is very much a naked sports bike.

You gonna try one? Would be interesting to hear what you think after a test ride.

 

Here are some pics:

BMW R 1300 GS neue Erlkönig-Fotos, Videos, Daten : Die BMW R 1300 GS kommt bald

BMW wird am 28. September 2023 die neue Boxer-GS präsentieren. In Berlin. Erste Erlkönige der R 1300 GS wurden ab 2021 erwischt. 2023 gibt's weitere Fotos – erstmals auch ungetarnt – und Videos. Zudem sind inzwischen die wichtigsten Eckdaten der neuen Boxer-GS durchgesickert.

www.motorradonline.de

 

1st gear redline and you're already breaking the speed limit. Fun, but you can't use it often if the popo are around.n’t

I personally would try ringing its neck in 1st or 2nd gear, and in any case most modern bikes limit the power O/P in 1st and 2nd gear.

The riding position on the RS was too aggressive for me so the S1000R wouldn’t have worked. The riding position on the R is about as bent as I can handle.

Ah sorry, I thought you were interested in trying one. I thought about trying the RS but just sitting in the showroom I didn’t care for the slightly different riding position – just a wee bit of a lean forward.

I didn’t feel that with the S1000R, the bars are pretty upright and don’t feel forward at all, what I did notice was the pegs, they feel every bit as high as a full on sports bike.

It will be a lot quicker, never mind the extra power etc, - it is a good 50kg lighter than the R1250R. It'll fly.

 

I personally would try ringing its neck in 1st or 2nd gear, and in any case most modern bikes limit the power O/P in 1st and 2nd gear.



Ah sorry, I thought you were interested in trying one. I thought about trying the RS but just sitting in the showroom I didn’t care for the slightly different riding position – just a wee bit of a lean forward.

I didn’t feel that with the S1000R, the bars are pretty upright and don’t feel forward at all, what I did notice was the pegs, they feel every bit as high as a full on sports bike.

It will be a lot quicker, never mind the extra power etc, - it is a good 50kg lighter than the R1250R. It'll fly.

I didn’t get the chance to try an S1000R as there were none available at the time. I recently sat on an S1000xr. I took my boots off so as not to scratch it. It was a bit high for me (33”) in my stocking feet and I didn’t even stand it up for fear of slipping and dropping it on the showroom floor.

 

I just got the email about the 2022 S1000R and I'm thinking of taking a test ride when it's available. If a R1300R could blow my socks off I'd sure look at that too. I think I'm who they are marketing to, middle aged, enough income/credit to ride what I want, and I like toys and HP. If it's got problems a 3 year warranty let's me dump it before it can bury me.

136HP from 1252cc isn't terrible, but we all know they can find 160+HP if they look hard enough. Hopefully they can figure out how to design, build and lube a shaft drive system by then. Even Ural can build a driveshaft.

If you're planning to buy used they aren't designing for you, just realistically they can only be expected to design for people buying new.

 

I just got the email about the 2022 S1000R and I'm thinking of taking a test ride when it's available.

I’d be trying the all-new Triumph Speed Triple too - 132kW, 125Nm and 196kg. 👌

 

Indeed, I nearly bought the first gen I think they called it T509, but the leg room is worse than the R, and I am holding a bit of a grudge for all the union jack waving on an Asian made bike. Love many Asian bikes mind you, but don't try to slap me around with your union jack and "patriotism" after laying everyone off and moving to Thailand. Still, nice equipment and impressive sounding numbers.

The original Hinckley Speed Triple was the T300 launched in 1994, and still, if you ask me, the best looking.

The latest one, according to some of the reviews I’ve seen is very much a track day bike that you can ride on the road. It is one very focused motorcycle. Personally, I get the feeling that ‘nakeds’ or at least the ‘super nakeds’ have become much the same as the sports bikes that they were supposed to be the useable alternative to – ie irrelevant.

At least BMW with the S1000R have recognised this, to some extent anyway, and clearly decided not to chase Ducati’s pointless 200BHP Street Fighter.

Will be interesting to see how Yamaha’s MT10 evolves. It is the one ‘super naked’ that is also a fully rounded and practicable day to day road bike, though its thirst leaves it with a worryingly short range.

Union flag? I’m still stuck with it here.

 

Where will the displacement race take us? Nowhere, lake a dog chasing it's tail. My '11 Classic is the sweet spot for me. ESA, ASC, ABS, 88 ft. lbs. and dripping with style.

More money, more to break and diminishing returns after that

 

Where will the displacement race take us?

It's the same throughout the automotive industry - build something 'better' than the previous model in order to make your product more attractive compared to the opposition. Production racing categories used to set particular capacity boundaries, but they're not as relevant anymore..

 

Where will the displacement race take us? Nowhere, lake a dog chasing it's tail. My '11 Classic is the sweet spot for me. ESA, ASC, ABS, 88 ft. lbs. and dripping with style.



More money, more to break and diminishing returns after that

One of the reasons bike engines have been increasing in size is because increased capacity ironically makes it easier to meet ever stricter emissions regulations.

I’m not really that interested in the gadgets, though can’t argue against ABS. I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for the weirdness of the boxer engine, and finally with the styling of the LC and the power of the 1250 its become a bike I actually went out and bought!

1300 boxer, an R1300R, bring it on, lets see what BMW do.

 

I wish they'd do a crossover with the boxer engine, like the new Moto Guzzi V100; I would be interested, moreover the RS did not sell that well.

 

I wish they'd do a crossover with the boxer engine

What's a crossover?

 

The new Guzzi V100 is looking like it could be a nice ride.

 

There are now rumours out there that BMW is working on a new fully water-cooled boxer engine with a capacity of 1300cc.

The current boxer engine is air/water cooled. A possible R1300GS test bike has been spotted with fully shrouded cylinders and two radiators.

BMW R1300GS: New test mules and trademarks point towards new engine

Presumably the R1300R would follow.

That's funny. I keep wishing they'd build something smaller, like a 375LB R50/2 "Commemorative". Why does everything have to be so BIG ?

 

Well I see even 310cc bikes on the BMW website. But I think it is a pity BMW left out the smaller boxer engines indeed. What's wrong with a 850cc boxer engine.
I think BMW needs to reconsider their name giving. Due tot it being based on CC they need to UP every new model. That is senseless...

 

I love the boxer engine.
I'm not sure that sentiment carries throughout the market. BMW makes a couple nice bikes in that engine size with the F series. I've ridden the F650GS twin and it's a great bike for people that aren't BIG. Fuel is carried under the seat, weight is under 400 lbs. There's very little not to like about the bike for it's intended use. Though not as smooth, it's actually geared better for highway use than my Tiger 800, not to mention way better fuel economy.

 

Not sure the market would be there for a smaller boxer - smaller cylinders with less power but similar complexity and cost. The Heritage line of RNineT Camheads still exists for more traditional or analog boxer fans.

As a 45 year boxer lover I've been thoroughly seduced by the R1200 LC smooth easy torque and rider aids like ride modes & shift assist. I wouldn't want to go back to anything less, although I'm always looking for a nice Camhead or Airhead second bike.

Cheers! Dave

 

Looks like that 1300 rumor has all but solidified into fact, according this article from yesterday -- and there's apparently going to be a 1400 version as well!

If our bike has a similar upgrade down the road, I wonder if it'll be the 1300 or 1400 configuration?

BMW R 1300 GS, R 1400 GS and M 1300 GS Expected for 2023

A offiical BMW site let slip three new GS models: the R 1300 GS, R 1400 GS, and M 1300 GS. We suspect they will use a new, completely liquid-cooled engine.

www.motorcycle.com

 

Sounds like all the models will have the same engine size.
The regular GS will probably be called a R1300GS and the GSA will be called a R1400GS.